Question by Mr. Sir: If feminists want equal pay for women?
Then shouldn’t there be pay equity among men first, so it is easier to tell that a woman is getting paid less than all her male colleagues?
@ Jeff- Well men don’t earn the same amount of money as other men. How can we tell that there is true wage disparity between genders if neither gender has a standard wage among themselves?
@ Jiff- Sorry, meant to put Jiff, not Jeff, in the first additional comment.

Best answer:

Answer by Jiffy Ann
well women need the equal
amount of money as men gets

Answer by Empress Luka ルカ
It was “equal pay for equal work,” if you were paying attention.
Just “equal pay period” is Communism.

You don’t need to be a Communist to have equality — just equal opportunity from the starting gate (ensured by taxes to help bring the lower class children to the same starting line. That is: better schools, better health care, etc.) and personal initiative to carry you through, but with some help for those who are physically/mentally handicapped or otherwise disadvantaged.

I am a Liberal and I believe in helping those in need and doing all that you can to aid the larger community. I am not a Communist simply because I recognize that people need some positive reinforcement to keep them going and on track; purely negative reinforcement just creates unrest and misery.

@ The Fall of Man
I can most certainly hold my own.
Like the vast majority liberals, I am from the educated middle class — the level that can both contribute our efforts in the workforce and still afford to help others, as well as realize the importance of doing so, but doesn’t have the degree of greed and selfishness to launch us into the wealthy class.
I am not sure where the conservative idea that “all liberals are stoopid welfare parasites” came from. Most of us are neither rich nor poor. The wealthy/elite, the country/small town bunch, and the rural poor have always tended to gravitate towards conservatism. Liberalism is always strongest in more updated urban areas with lots of educational and working opportunities as well as a thriving middle class.

@ The Fall of Man
So, do you think it fair that people are born into poverty and therefore can’t get a very good education, so that the get lower-paying “un-skilled” jobs and will likely stay poor?
Do you think it fair that because someone is born with a physical/mental disease and disables them from working, they should have to suffer for it?
Eventually, if everything works out the right way, everyone should have an amazing education, complete safety, advanced healthcare, and as much community [moral] support as possible, regardless of what class he/she was born into. Therefore, whether you succeed and fail would become 110% you, not your birth class, not luck, not talent, not your family/parents, not money/resources, etc. Just you. If you hate this idea, it’s probably because you like being lucky and don’t want to have more people to compete with in the workforce — in that case, you are being a petty elitist (thinking that you are by nature better or more deserving than everyone else).
For this to equal starting-ground to be a reality, everyone needs to pitch in. Those with more are just going to have to give a little more. Don’t worry, there’ll still be a hierarchy — just not one dependent on luck and birth, but rather true hard work.
This starts now. If you keep chucking the weight on your descendants, nothing will ever get done. Everyone needs to give some and pledge themselves to the greater good, at least in part, today and every day.

@ The Fall of Man
Fine, I’ll try to make it simple so you can understand me.
I said it before and I can say it again: Liberals do not “steal people’s money.”
We give our aid, surplus derived from OUR OWN sweat and blood, to the disadvantaged and expect others to help as well. Everyone needs to pay their fair share. If I can be a good person and a part of the community, you can too.
I believe in some hierarchy, but hierarchy based off of hard work, determination, and mutual respect — not luck. If, growing up, you had loving parents, received a quality education, lived in a safe area, got medical treatment when you needed it, had no physical/mental disorders, had a roof over your head, weren’t pressured into drugs/alcohol/gangs while you were too young to know those were bad ideas, weren’t abused or bullied, weren’t threatened with violence into intentionally get lower grades, and/or didn’t face prejudice, you were VERY LUCKY. Many many people never got those privileges and, therefore, couldn’t have gotten into the same place you are in now no matter how hard they worked. And sometimes those people need a little extra help.

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